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jas89
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 Posted - 23 May 2008 : 01:09:20 AM
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well i know its due to wheel alignment usually BUT i just got one 1 week ago...everything was fine, as i had a faulty strut that i had to replace. Now the steering wheel was straight and car drove straight BUT today (well tonight) when coming home from work i was thinking to myself ...something don't feel right... looked down in dark and saw teh wheel not straight ..it was/is a fair bit out.....nearly pointing right!! WTF could it be? like i have checked everything on it as today when i turned the car fairly sharp i hear this kinda noise that sounded like a bolt stripping when over tightened . but i check everything when i got home and the wheel was straight only when i drove home from work tonight its doing this .
also has a weired noise to the steering , has like a tick/clunk (dull) when turning wheel so maybe me rack has died. but still feels teh same. alls i can think of (beside rack) is that a tie rod end (new) has stripped to the tie rod....which in turn i would feel coming home before but yeah i hope it ain't that
anyway gonna go right over it tomorrow before heading to the tyre pl;ace and seeing what the dude there says (as he is a well known friend)
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dryVN
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 09:22:09 AM
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| is it after market ? cause i had a cheap aluminium boss kit that was so weak it striped out the spline .the wheel was turning all over the place,i put a factory wheel back on and no worries. |
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jas89
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 10:12:16 AM
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cheers mate but i have narrowed it down to either a ****ed pump or rack
took it for a granny drive and straight away it was makeing noises all over the place.....in the steering wheel and pump plus t6here is alot of tappy/clunk when turning and now it dont feel like it did when turning (;last night) so im up for a new pump and rack id say as the soise it did yesterday was PRETTY dam bad..........BUt what dont get me is the fact it didnt do it straight away after that noise cause it was fine. |
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dryVN
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 11:27:36 AM
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| if the pumps full of fluid and bled of any air pockets, then man its gona be pricey for a new rack or pump. repco had a rack for my calais for just over 400bucks , im not sure of exec. berlina ones thers a slight differance and a bit cheaper! hope it all works out! |
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trizo
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 5:49:59 PM
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| wahts the difference in that racks? 1 would think they would be the same? |
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MILD50
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 7:17:15 PM
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| Have to admit it's the first time I've heard of there being a difference. |
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Grandtheftholden
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 9:20:03 PM
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There is practically no difference in pumps... right from the VB's through... slight differences obviously to do with dimensions of the car and things like that... but PRETTY MUCH they're the same from VB to VS I THINK... but, if anyone else out there happens to KNOW differences i am standing to be corrected gracefully!
Maybe there are differences between 6 cylinder and V8... but thats the only thing i could think of... all others seem to look almost exactly the same...
Having said this... its quite often NOT a rooted rack and is just the rack ends that go... so it might be worth a look.
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trizo
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 9:30:54 PM
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you could very well be right there the only thing I c wrong with the whole vb to vs, is body size? But then again knowing holden they would use cheap old parts lol!
The reason I say size is becuase its a common fact that the vn is 1 of the widest cars holden made! Please correct me if I'm wrong but thats the logic I see in that! Usualy for these sterring racks to pack up is drirt and grit build up in the boot setion that eventualy moves its way around the unit! When your steering rack starts to pack in, IT IS ADVISED.. AND I STRESS GET IT FIXED! I know I sound like a old lady but thats the reality here! The vn steeering coloum is not the best! in fact it is prolly the easiest to break open! And that goes for the rack aswell it h8's full lock if your pump is on its way and your rack is worn it will scream like a mole regardless of how much fluid you put in.. |
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dryVN
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 11:10:06 PM
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| i was advised that calais had 2mm wider f/r track than exec. berlina and used a speed sensitive variable ratio rack in s1. that also came on vq and all vp. vn s1 and 2 exec. i was told had slight diffrence ? i think your right there is a way of fitting early racks with some mods , ive seen vn's with vl manual racks. anyone know how its done? |
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trizo
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 11:23:12 PM
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seriously I think your being told porky's! the reason I say this Is I have to date fixed over 40 vn-vp's as a backyardy! 5 of them have been the power steering rack ( wich I will add is a dog of a job) and in sayigg that I have fitted the vr- to vn and the vs- to vn with out problem not that theres any real difference in them! Never need a shim or boss to make them fit! the rear is a different story of course!
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jas89
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 11:32:59 PM
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hey guys i already know i can get a rack (reco) one from the holden place for 180 bucks .....it comes from Sydney as well. pump however im not sure on price but if worse comes to worse im gonna have to replace :( gonna looks at t tommorow
but its weired like it didnt make any groneing noises last night whine i noticed the wheel not straight but as soon as i started it today (to move car) it made groaning noises etc.....and yeh not gonna drive it until i can make sure its safe (only from me house to work tomorrow afternoon.....like 2 k's and i will baby it big time lol :P) |
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dryVN
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Posted - 23 May 2008 : 11:59:57 PM
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| fair enough trizo , sounds like u got the runs on the board . good to know , im glad i didnt buy that so called special calais rack , man if u can get one for $180 what were the so called spare parts place doin to me? never goin there again. was looking at manual rack conversion a while back but to pricey (same place) Do you know if its possible maybe i could do it myself with a vl rack? |
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trizo
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Posted - 24 May 2008 : 07:19:21 AM
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| @ dryvn have a look into the calais racks and find out what the extra parts are, I'd be interested to know! |
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nodg
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Posted - 24 May 2008 : 08:16:38 AM
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vp calais onwards has speed sensitive steering which consists of a a differant type of rack (same vn rack with electronics)
Jas, is it that bad it dangerous?? check your lower ball joints to see if they have come out of the lower control arms... also did you do the strut(s) yourself? even if someone else did them, recheck everything with a spanner... while the wheels off push and pull on the the rack end for movement, do the same for suspension compnents. you should be able to see whats wrong when the wheels off.. |
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MILD50
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Posted - 24 May 2008 : 3:24:45 PM
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| nodge is right- the VN Calais did not have speed sensitive power steering. It came out on the VP so I'm guessing the series 2 Statos had it aswell. |
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jas89
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Posted - 24 May 2008 : 6:56:53 PM
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well guys looks like its fixed...turns out the the spline bolt was loose after all. see when i checked it yesterday it was tight cause (id say) the car was on teh ground and the spline was turned makeing it jammed resulting in it being tight (if you know what i mean) and when i jacked it up and checked it today it was loose cause there was no pressure on it makeing it fall back to where it was supposed to be.
anyway i still not sure why it was makeing that groaning noise etc.... but ill keep an eye on it....now me steering wheel is straight lol even though alls i did was tighten the spline thing, and yeh i went to repco today and while i was there i asked about the rack and they want 500 + for a reco one and 150 for a reco pump or a new pump for 220
cheers guys for helping out |
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VNSVLE
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Posted - 25 May 2008 : 07:12:29 AM
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Is the noise there when you start the car and just run it or is it there when you turn the wheel?? If it is there when the car is started and just sitting there running and if the fluid is right that means your pump is on it's way out. If the noise is not there until you move the wheel get someone to work the steering and stick your head under the bonnet and listen for the noise. Should be pretty easy to figure out where the noise is coming from.
Good luck and keep us posted |
What's the difference between understeer and oversteer?
Understeer is when the driver is scared.
Oversteer is when the passenger is scared. |
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jas89
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Posted - 25 May 2008 : 10:02:25 AM
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cheers it seems to be quiet now but when it was doing it it was coming up through the steering wheel and noisy at the pump but only when turning the wheel...stationary was quiet as i got me dad to help check it lol but its quiet now .....ill see how it goes. i do have a pump and rack in the wreck out back but when i was turning the wheel (when car was running) it made groaning noises and leaked.
anyway cheers guys will keep posted on how it runs :) |
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nodg
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Posted - 25 May 2008 : 2:35:08 PM
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im way too sick to read the rest of the post, but glad you got it fixed, theres nothing more stressful then something wrong with your pride and joy.
and the speed sensitive steering was available on s2 statesman onwards, i know because mine didnt have it! |
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jas89
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Posted - 25 May 2008 : 5:59:32 PM
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thanks nodge...hope ya get better quick:P
drove car today and it seemed fine beside the fact that it stalled (auto haha) while turning in a car park resulting in me hitting (very soft but enough for me to feel it) a gutter :( ....but they do the now and then when turning sharp. Other then that its all good :)....i hope |
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jas89
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Posted - 26 May 2008 : 3:19:08 PM
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well found the problem.....potentionally very dangerous as well ...today i got some stuff to put in me steering and at the same time flush the steering oil...that went well but when i got in car to turn wheel to bleed teh steering (car off) the wheel turned then went crunch!!! i was like o....k then!!!! turns out the collapsible shaft is ****ed resulting in teh top half of the steering shaft turning but not the bottom :(:(....so i just riped it out of teh wreck out back and gonna put it in me car in morning...gotta work now......and yeh i ain't driving it till its fixed....getting me mum to drive us to work and pick us up....thanks mum lol
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trizo
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Posted - 26 May 2008 : 5:46:43 PM
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| have fun with that , I heard thats a real prik of a job! |
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jas89
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Posted - 27 May 2008 : 12:35:04 AM
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| haha yeh i have to but it waqsnt very hard top get it of teh car out back...only took 10 min but then again it does have its dash out lol |
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jas89
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Posted - 27 May 2008 : 11:34:49 PM
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all fixed ...this time it is haha
but yeh was a part on the shaft.... the part between the 2 uni joints that was ****ed..lol
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trizo
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 12:10:46 AM
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good 1 m8 you regular little mech  |
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dryVN
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 4:56:48 PM
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| good to here it s all fixed , im glad it didnt let go on the move ! that sounds like a lucky vn. got a VL manual rack yesterday at the wreckers for $66 in good nick , im not sure if i need a different intermidiate shaft. trizo i havent been able to get info on the the calais racks sounds like alls been answed here. i did find out that VB - VK's have diffrent locating positions 2 subframe and wont fit later models. |
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Grandtheftholden
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 5:53:53 PM
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| Well... i see that i was incorrect.. My apologies for misleading information... soory guys! |
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dryVN
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 6:10:11 PM
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| Forgive me too !!! i wont post anything that isnt absolutly black and white . ill shut up now...... |
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jas89
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 11:23:12 PM
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| well that 180 dollar rack i said i could get was for a secondhand one....the dude gave me wrong information on it...a reco one is actually 400 :(.....and yeh im lucky it didn't break anymore then it did while driving as if it did then there may of been one less vn on the road :( |
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