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lovevncomms
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 Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 3:04:08 PM
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just a question members what would be the best mods for power
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Blacky
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 5:36:24 PM
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| Hey mate, really depends how much you want to spend and what you already have. if its stock start by removing bell mouth piece (series 2 only ), a drift pod filter (proven better then K&N and only $50), or ss induction and new panel filter, 70mm throttle body and cat back exhaust system, this will get you well and truely on the way. |
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lovevncomms
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 5:41:36 PM
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| whats the bell mouth piece mate sorry or sounding noob but i am LOL |
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Blacky
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 5:54:47 PM
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| just after your throttle body, round the bend where it connects to ur intake manifold, in between the manifold and the pipe takes bout 15mins to do it's like a cone piece it restrict the flow. only on series 2, series 1 doesnt have it |
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leebo
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 8:22:30 PM
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Originally posted by Blacky
just after your throttle body, round the bend where it connects to ur intake manifold, in between the manifold and the pipe takes bout 15mins to do it's like a cone piece it restrict the flow. only on series 2, series 1 doesnt have it
hey I'm about to get a throttle body can u explain this more to me in detail? |
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Blacky
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 8:59:45 PM
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Hey Leebo, just after the throttle body there is a 90degree bend which then hooks up to the back of the intake manifold there should be 3 bolts or nuts here you have to undo and pull the bend back it is a tight fit but you will get it, when it is far enough back, there you will see a copper sleeve facing into the manifold, pull this out taking care not to brake the gaskets (2) one either side of the sleeve, then remount the bend to the manifold, and the spring return for the throttle above the throttle body( soz must take this off at the start and remove the pipe leading to the air box ). You should hav the battery disconnected while doing this, then connect and hold at 3000rpm for roughly 30sec to reset the computer, it will rum rough while you do this but will return to normal.. maybe a little more power but will definately feel better pick up, sorry bout my terminology not a mechanic. hope it helps
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leebo
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 9:14:46 PM
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that's wiked man thanks so when i take this out and put on my bored out throttle body i will have even more power than if i just replaced the original with the 70mm one and left the retractor in, id that right?
glad you mentioned it before i went to do this |
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Blacky
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Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 9:22:20 PM
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| haha yeah mate its a good mod cause it doesnt cost u anything, and will help you, it is a bit of a pain to do it, all the mates seem to just bring their cars to me and get me to do it, but after all the swearing its good and cost effective.enjoy |
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lovevncomms
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trizo
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Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 2:13:52 PM
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| you dont have to rev 3000rpm to get a ecm reset ,,, just rev till you here the revs drop then increase (all whilst your foot is in the same pozzy of coarse) when you hear this it is a sure fire way to know its reset,,,, doing it by ear is by far the easiest and best way to do it! Revving to 3000rpm with a cold engine is not a good thing! |
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leebo
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Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 5:09:37 PM
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yeah that's sik thanks guys i'll talk into more deatil when i have the throttle body in my hand.
Some other cheap mods lovencomms would be a cold air intake, racing chip etc.
have you got around to anything yet man? |
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lovevncomms
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Posted - 27 Feb 2009 : 9:31:24 PM
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| nah leebo doing it next month bud and bloody hanging for it putting straight through catback system, 70mm throttle body, nice frog memcal and holden cold air intake mate |
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leebo
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Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 12:55:51 PM
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| yeah h'm having great trouble getting that chip from nicefrog or greenfoam as he is on justcomomodores. is he sending you one? |
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lovevncomms
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Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 1:07:27 PM
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| still have to get 1 mate whats that about just commodore isn't he doing them anymore ??? |
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leebo
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Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 4:47:13 PM
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| i want one and he does do them still but he is very hard to get a hold of as he get's like 100msgs a day and doesn't reply to all of them, most important first. |
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crazybiker
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Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 6:26:59 PM
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Ok. First of all. What have you got? If it's a V6, don't expect to get great power without some serious money. But the best way to get some power out of it is:
1)VS S/C CAI. About $60
2)Greenfoam Tune. He charged me $55. Best performance increase for money.
3)Entire exhaust with Pacemaker extractors. 2.5" is optimum. Around $1100.
They're the first 3 things. All bolt-on, piss easy ****.
Now, this is where it starts to get expensive, but, the fun also starts here.
I'm also assuming you've got a V6. V8's are slightly different.
1)Yella Terra 1.8 High Ratio Roller rockers. Around $600.
2)Headwork. Get the heads ported for increased compression. Don't ask me on a price. Wouldn't have a damn clue.
3)Cam. Put in a cam for it. Though this all depends on what the other mods are doing for you. So this is one of the last things you do. Again, don't know a price
4)FORCED INDUCTION. This is where the REAL fun lies. My personal preference is a supercharger. This would probably the most expensive, but definitely the most gain. I can give you a price, but it depends on what you wanna do with it, so I'm not.
There are other things that you can do, but if you really wanna spend more money on all the nitty gritty little things, you could go out and buy a second-hand ferrari by the end of it :P
Now that I've said the things that you can do, here's some of the things that are pretty damn pointless, and/or stupid.
1)Pod Filter. Sucks in hot air. Illegal unless boxed.
2)High-flow panel filter. Leave the paper filter there. Your motor won't be sucking that much air that the air filter will be the restricting piece. A K&N will only allow more crap into your motor.
3)Remove the bell-mouth. For the love of god, don't remove the bell-mouth. It's there for a reason. No, it doesn't actually restrict airflow. It improves air-flow to the back to cylinders smoothing out the motor. At full throttle, the thing opens up and doesn't slow anything down. So leave it.
4)70MM throttle body. Again, your car won't need a larger throttle body unless you're managing to make 500RWHP, and if you are, please, let me know how, I'd love to do it. All this is gonna do is give you an extremely touchy throttle that's gonna make it near impossible (Or a pain in the ass atleast) to drive around in the city. |
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Blacky
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Posted - 28 Feb 2009 : 7:29:44 PM
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| Hey crazybiker, sum good extra tips, but do have to disagree with your pointless tips section, as all these do make a little difference in there own way, ur motor is just one big pump the more cold air in the more power u make. with a mates car on the dyno on a w/e we tried these and all altered the power output and torque, 70mm throttle body chip and pod made roughly 25kw more power on its own, and all are recommended in just commodores magazine when they did v6 vegence, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. |
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VNSVLE
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Posted - 01 Mar 2009 : 02:28:21 AM
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| @crazybiker - what do you mean when you say at full throttle the bellmouth opens up?? |
What's the difference between understeer and oversteer?
Understeer is when the driver is scared.
Oversteer is when the passenger is scared. |
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lovevncomms
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leebo
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Posted - 01 Mar 2009 : 11:40:32 AM
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I rekon thanks for that man it was good information, and also you are allowed to have an opinion.
what wrong with K&N filter? |
I'll show you the Rick James cell. It's superfreaky!. |
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lovevncomms
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Posted - 01 Mar 2009 : 12:09:45 PM
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| i forgot to add thanks for all the useful info |
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Blacky
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Posted - 01 Mar 2009 : 2:59:32 PM
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| Yeah Leebo, theres nothing wrong with k&n filters, just that these drift type ones, in a dyno shootout produced more power than k&n and are only $50 where K&N are around the $100 mark, just a cheaper option really and still have the 1000000km warrant. |
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leebo
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Posted - 01 Mar 2009 : 6:29:48 PM
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| so this is like a K&N which fits in your standard airbox but by a different brand is it? |
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Blacky
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Posted - 01 Mar 2009 : 7:05:43 PM
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| ah not sure bout a panel filter, i no they do pods as i just bought one myself, but if they make one surely they make the other? |
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leebo
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Posted - 01 Mar 2009 : 7:25:19 PM
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| yeah i'll look it up 2 find out, thanks |
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crazybiker
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Posted - 02 Mar 2009 : 4:02:41 PM
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Originally posted by Blacky
Hey crazybiker, sum good extra tips, but do have to disagree with your pointless tips section, as all these do make a little difference in there own way, ur motor is just one big pump the more cold air in the more power u make. with a mates car on the dyno on a w/e we tried these and all altered the power output and torque, 70mm throttle body chip and pod made roughly 25kw more power on its own, and all are recommended in just commodores magazine when they did v6 vegence, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Yes. But there's not point having extra air if your motor can't suck it all. The big 304s don't even push the limits really of the stock paper filter, so how will the little V6s do it?
I am willing to be, it was the TUNE that did all of that increase (unless the pod was enclosed and receiving cold air. If it was then yes it works better). The pod would have just been sucking in hot air, thus reducing power. Throttle body. What did you say? "Altered" Also saying that it just SHIFTED the torque curve. Because it got more air quicker, that's it. The car won't actually make more power, just get more air at the same throttle percentage.
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Originally posted by VNSVLE
@crazybiker - what do you mean when you say at full throttle the bellmouth opens up??
The bellmouth isn't a restrictor, it just disturbs the airflow in a way that's good for the motor, to smooth out the idle. It causes NO restriction when the motor is revving.
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Originally posted by leebo
I rekon thanks for that man it was good information, and also you are allowed to have an opinion.
what wrong with K&N filter?
Nothing really wrong with it, just doesn't provide as good filtering as what the stock paper filters do. |
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leebo
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Posted - 02 Mar 2009 : 4:36:33 PM
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| yeah okay then |
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trizo
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 11:54:31 AM
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| crazy biker is right in what he is saying!!! The only thing I can c that isnt a big deal is the bell mouth ,, it realy makes no diff if its in or out ,, you dont even notice the idle change or the any increase in power.. but basicaly the bell mouth is there for a reason! |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 10:32:50 AM
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Topic hijacked! lol
not now it aint  keep on topic please! |
Edited by - trizo on 09 Mar 2009 6:55:01 PM |
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lovevncomms
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Posted - 10 Mar 2009 : 12:02:34 PM
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| thanks triz for correcting mate and to all answers |
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trizo
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Posted - 10 Mar 2009 : 6:47:43 PM
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| nps thats what us moderators are for! |
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