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Blacky
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 Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 1:38:48 PM
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hey guys i know everyone is over talking about lowering, but ive a quick question. i just bought a set of lowered king springs and im fitting them myself, just wondering if i do need to get a lowered set of shockies for the back or will it be fine to run the ordinary shockies, and do i have to buy anything else for the front??
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leebo
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 1:46:13 PM
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| You don't have to get short shocks but it's just recommended that you do for safety purposes. But it's totally up to you mate. |
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Blacky
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 1:53:34 PM
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| thanks Leebo mate, so dont need anything for the front? |
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leebo
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 4:49:31 PM
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what springs do you have in front now?
If you wana lower the front you need to have adjustable strut towers to compensate for the extra camber. |
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VNSVLE
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 5:30:22 PM
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| I would strongly recommend that you get lowered shocks to suit your springs. Without the shortened shocks there is a possibility of the rear springs falling out and also the fronts coming out of there locating mounts making it very dangerous to drive. |
What's the difference between understeer and oversteer?
Understeer is when the driver is scared.
Oversteer is when the passenger is scared. |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 7:41:23 PM
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| My thoughts exactly VNSVLE! What is the deal here? I see this too much and it is very frustrating. People want to modify their car, but dont want to cough up the money to do the job properly, which puts you and all the other unsuspecting road users at risk. Save the money to do the job properly and show respect for the other road users by getting the job done properly. This is what they call hard earned and paying your way. |
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leebo
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 7:53:17 PM
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Yeah that's what i meant like it's not essential to get them or they won't work but it is recommended like you guys said to do so.
I've ordered my superlow's to pick up next week (Because of Easter) will i need shorter shocks for those or not?
Sorry to steal your thread Blacky but how much are they worth for the rear anyone? |
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Blacky
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 9:02:29 PM
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| i dont care how much it cost me!! i do want to do it properly other wise i wouldnt bother asking what else i need?, i hav a lowered set of king springs for the back and a set for the front, so i need a set of lowered shockies for the rear and a set of adjustable strut towers for the front, is that what is needed? |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 9:36:58 PM
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| You dont need the adjustable strut towers for the front. A good starting point would be matched springs and shocks at all four corners of the car. An adjustable panhard for the rear would also be a good idea as when you lower a car, the diff tends to be pushed slightly to one side (Be it the passenger or drivers side). The adjustable panhard will solve this problem. A set of lowered shocks that are matched to the specifications of the lowered springs are your strongest starting point my friend. Panhards and adjustable struts are beneficial, but not necessary as a starting point, but can be done later. Take the time and effort to make sure that every build stage of your ride is nothing but quality, and trust me my friend you will not be disappointed and you will have no regrets. Hope this was of some help. |
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Blacky
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 9:47:50 PM
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| yeah it was thanks mate, i should just be able to call someone and with the part number on the springs and match them for a set of shockies etc, that would be the easiest way wouldnt it? |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 09 Apr 2009 : 09:57:00 AM
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| Have a look at the king springs catalogue, if they are the ones you have bought, and they should have a shock recommendation. |
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Blacky
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Posted - 09 Apr 2009 : 11:53:51 AM
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| thanks VN91SX mate, yeah bought a full set of monroe gt shockies to suit them. |
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Spud
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Posted - 09 Apr 2009 : 4:09:46 PM
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| you dont need shocks, or a panhard bar, or adjustable strut tops(rofl) if goin SL height, any lower and you will, i run SL front and rear in my Vn without lowered shocks and it rides fine, never had springs fall out (unless i jack the arse right up) and even then, they dont fall out, you just have to sit them in the groove again. I made the choice not to change my shocks because my engines only done 120xxxkm so the shocks are pretty new still. If Goin SSl you will need shortened shocks to prevent springs from falling out and panhard bar to keep diff in centre. |
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VNSVLE
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Posted - 09 Apr 2009 : 5:05:39 PM
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Not right sorry spud. Any modifications to the suspension height will result in misalignment of your wheels unless done correctly. Why do you think when lets say HSV for instance lowers a car there are different shocks to standard, different panhard rod to standard and sometimes adjustable strut tops. These parts are all necessary to do the job properly.
If you lower the rear end without an adjustable panhard rod the diff WILL NOT be centralised. Causing the car to "crab walk" and scrub the tires unevenly.
If you do not match shock to spring there is a VERY distinct possibility that the springs will fall out. Which is very dangerous. The lowered shocks have a shorter stroke that the standard shocks which will stock the springs from falling out if for some reason the shocks "top out".
Adjustable strut tops are mostly not a necessity but will make alignment alot easier and more accurate even on a standard car. |
What's the difference between understeer and oversteer?
Understeer is when the driver is scared.
Oversteer is when the passenger is scared. |
Edited by - VNSVLE on 09 Apr 2009 5:06:17 PM |
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leebo
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Posted - 09 Apr 2009 : 6:14:39 PM
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Hey i have to agree with with VNSVLE sorry spud but he's right you have to do it properly i hope all is going well for you Blacky.
Today i walked into Pedders and asked for some Shortened shocks to suit Superlow's and if i want Ultra low's and he gave Me street glyder's on for $118 the pair brand new cos i'm a friend of a friend i was very lucky and am gona have that and a new $150 panhardrod fitted next week should be good.
Keep you posted over the suspension performance when i get it done.
How's yours going Blacky? have you fitted the new stuff yet? |
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Blacky
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Posted - 09 Apr 2009 : 9:34:49 PM
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| Nah leebo mate still waiting for the monroe shockies, ordered online so should be here by wednesday at the latest hopefully... |
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leebo
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Posted - 09 Apr 2009 : 9:37:44 PM
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Yeah it's a shame the post service and 9/10 shops are closed over Easter can't get anything done.lol
Keep us posted when complete
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Blacky
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VN91SX
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Posted - 09 Apr 2009 : 10:28:42 PM
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Spud, your car has only done 120xxx km and you didn't see reason to change the shocks! I got mine with a genuine 84000km on it and the shocks were fukced, and this was with my grandfather driving the car like an old man since he bought it new in 1991. At 84000km and 17 years old the car drove like a bloody lounge lol. Freeway driving was rediculous. You would drive over a hump in the road on a freeway, and it was like the car would be launched to the moon in slow motion due to the poor rebound effect of the old and obviously worn shocks.
The car only had 84000km on it at the time, but the point is they were the original shocks that had been in the car for close to 2 decades.
The car handles so well now! Roundabouts are a joy to drive through now lol |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 09 Apr 2009 : 10:32:54 PM
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| And good choice blacky. You have a strong foundation to start from now. Adjustable panhard would be the next thing, but no rush mate. A Nolothane kit would be another future idea for you champion. |
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leebo
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 09:18:58 AM
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| I can't believe how crap the ride is in my car can't wait until Tuesday cos with chopped springs if someone warned me that they get car sick i have to say get out before we take off lol. |
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Spud
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 6:57:16 PM
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| Meh down to luck and wear i guess, had my rear SL in for over 5000km and rides fine |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 7:14:23 PM
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Picture this hypothetical situation: You are in a two car fatal accident. The driver of the other car is fataly killed. The police leave no stone unturned in investigating the accident due to the fatality and they find a defective modification done to your car. The police report this to your insurance/greenslip company, who with this information turn their back on you. The family of the fataly killed driver take you to court and sue you leaving your wages to be garnished for the rest of your life.
This can happen, and if you don't cover your butt by doing things right, an accident that may not be your fault could ruin your life. And for what, to save a couple of bucks by not doing things right. |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 7:27:47 PM
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I hope you have more to say to the judge than "meh, it was bad luck" when trying to explain the suspension failure of your car that resulted in you lossing control of your car and killing someone, because in the end that aint going to stop the the tax office from garnishing your wages the rest of your life.
I am just trying to look out for you guys, so please don't get fired up by what i have said. What i have said is just a hypothetical situation that could become real if you aren't careful with how you modify your ride.
Even driving without displaying your p plates will void your insurance. So be careful guys, please, for your own sake and for the people that you all share the road with. |
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leebo
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 7:36:14 PM
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Well said mate your 110% right i just put the chopped springs into my car for a photo shoot i did yesterday to post up some more pics but as i don't drive (L's) I'm going straight from my house to pedders so have these new springs, panhard rod and sport rider shocks fitted all at the same time.
Then come the brakes. When i drive the car up the end of the street and back i felt really scared as the car jumped from side to side to let a car though. |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 9:23:31 PM
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| You will be so happy when you get the full suspension set up leebo. |
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leebo
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 9:35:03 PM
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| Yeah I'm like you waiting on your cams i cant sleep lol. |
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Spud
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Posted - 10 Apr 2009 : 9:36:06 PM
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| Sight im out....like i said, SL cannot fall out...only SSL or lower....they need the shock to hold them in, SL fit with standard shocks..... |
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