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VN91SX
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 Posted - 22 May 2009 : 7:34:09 PM
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| I know they are all related as I have only had this work done myself, but one thing that has me confussed as all fudge is that I always thought that the Buick 3800 only has one cam, and not a multiple of "Cams" lol. |
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crazybiker
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Posted - 22 May 2009 : 8:44:58 PM
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New figures. These are a little more off, because I could probably fine tune it a bit more by retarding the spark a little more, but I can't be bothered :P
Wade 992a (214/214 .472"/.472")
9.5:1 Compression Ration
10% increase in Flow
Torque: 333/295
Power: 228/145
Idle Vacuum: 17.5" Still a very smooth idle. Might notice a small lump.
Wade 992a (214/214 .472"/.472)
9.5:1 Compression Ratio
10% Increase in Flow
8PSI (Full boost at around 4400RPM)
Torque: 485/367
Power: 326/190
Idle Vacuum:17.5"hg Still a very smooth idle. Might notice a small lump.
Wade 992a (214/214 .472"/.472")
8.5:1 Compression Ratio
10% increase in flow
10PSI (Full boost probably a LITTLE later. Didn't note it :P)
Torque: 486/364
Power: 338/191
Idle Vacuum:16.7"hg Might start to become a bit more noticeable, but still relatively smooth.
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leebo
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Posted - 22 May 2009 : 8:49:21 PM
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Originally posted by VN91SX
I know they are all related as I have only had this work done myself, but one thing that has me confussed as all fudge is that I always thought that the Buick 3800 only has one cam, and not a multiple of "Cams" lol.
Lol when i say cams i mean cam as in short for camshaft.
hey Crazybiker is those figures the specs of the various stage 1,2 and cam options and likely outcomes |
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crazybiker
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Posted - 22 May 2009 : 8:54:17 PM
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No. That's the Wade 992a cam. I'm not sure of the specs of the stage 1 and 2 that you're talking about, so I can't get figures.
But those are the specs for the Wade 992a with and without boost at 2 different compression levels.
Who are you looking at getting a cam from? Crane? |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 22 May 2009 : 9:19:30 PM
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| "Cams" is a plural leebo. I have never heard of a "twin over head cams" Toyota Carolla or "quad cams" Boss motor for that matter lol. A camshaft is referred to as cam for short. |
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Posted - 23 May 2009 : 09:36:58 AM
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Originally posted by VN91SX
"Cams" is a plural leebo. I have never heard of a "twin over head cams" Toyota Carolla or "quad cams" Boss motor for that matter lol. A camshaft is referred to as cam for short.
I'm do hope you guys know what i mean when i say cams lol.
Crazybiker i was thinking crow cams there all i know off but who are crane are the more expensive or quality the same etc?
I wouldn't get to concerned with the specs cos every motor will put out a different power with the same mods |
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crazybiker
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Posted - 23 May 2009 : 09:41:58 AM
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There's a few companies.
I know of Wade, Crow, Crane. I'm pretty sure theres a few more.
Can you try and get the cam card for their stage 1 or 2 for me? Or call them up for some specific specs?
I need Durataion @ .050", Max Lobe lift (Or Gross Valve lift if they tell you what ratio rocker it's for), and the open and close @ .050" for both the intake and exhaust.
If you can get those bits of information for me, I'll gladly run them in the engine analyzer |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 23 May 2009 : 11:05:35 AM
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Just stirring you leebo re "cams" comment. We know what you mean my friend. Happy days to all on here. You are all great people. Sorry that this is off topic.
There are also Camtech Cams and Clive Cams |
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Posted - 23 May 2009 : 12:53:33 PM
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| lmao vn91sx Your not a school teacher or anything are you lol seems if speling or gramma is not rite you jump (jks).. @crazybiker ,, would you mind posting some of these stats in the members only area , and I will make them sticky for future reference ... Thanks triz |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 23 May 2009 : 1:12:26 PM
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| Nah Trizo, not a teacher! Just bought up with a wooden ruler across the knuckles if my grammer or spelling wasn't up to scratch lol. Or the good old wooden spoon across the @ss lol |
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leebo
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Posted - 24 May 2009 : 6:29:20 PM
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Okay that's good. Just today i looked under my car and it has pissed out trans,power and engine oil all at once it was flowing just as i looked at it so out she has to come I'm afraid.
just 2 weeks or so be4 i get my license lol
Now i just got paid for the past 4 weeks at work all at once so what can i do with $1000, i know this wont get me performance but no labor due to me doing it myself so any suggestions guys? |
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crazybiker
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Posted - 25 May 2009 : 5:31:04 PM
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What do you wanna know?
Spend the money to rebuild the motor and do some small work to it :P |
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leebo
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Posted - 25 May 2009 : 5:36:28 PM
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Originally posted by crazybiker
What do you wanna know?
Spend the money to rebuild the motor and do some small work to it :P
Do u think i should just rebuild another motor from the wreckers and just drop it in not worry about performance yet? |
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Posted - 25 May 2009 : 5:40:00 PM
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| what do you think leebo???? thats the real question m8! |
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leebo
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Posted - 25 May 2009 : 6:22:49 PM
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| yeah u r right. i will have to make a decision and stick with it |
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crazybiker
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Posted - 25 May 2009 : 7:25:58 PM
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Exactly. If you want to build a peformance engine, you might aswell do it properly.
Or rebuild a ****ty 6, and start saving to build a nice, strong, fast, 304 |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 25 May 2009 : 8:16:34 PM
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| Sorry to hear your bad luck leebo. As is said above, stick to your decisions brother. My advice would be to build a strong canvas upon which you can build performance from later my friend |
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leebo
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Posted - 25 May 2009 : 8:24:41 PM
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| yeah it still works guys not blown up but i will have to keep a big bottle of power steering/trans fluid and engine oil in the boot and keep my eyes on the levels until i figure out what I'm going to do. |
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leebo
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Posted - 02 Jun 2009 : 7:52:40 PM
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Hey guys been looking around for a new motor and maybe trans.
I maybe able to get my hands on a rebuilt Buick 3800 (not sure what series) with a stage 2 cams.
What would be the most likely power outcome of a stage 2 if stage 3 with a tune is an extra 40KW would stage 2 be about 20KW?
Since this ones rebuilt (No leaks) i can fit rockers and later do forced induction
let me know your thoughts
cheers felas |
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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 : 10:34:38 AM
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| sorry dude but I never heard of stage 1,2,3 cams b4 , my good m8 does cam work and giggled (wtf) Even he said "stage number cams" thats just a "very loose term that the young blokes are throwing around! as for power wise I'd say around 130-140hp! |
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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 : 5:11:48 PM
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Exactly. What brand cam is it?
I'll try and find out some specs and I'll run you some specs :P
Stage numbers don't mean anything, really. |
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leebo
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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 : 5:23:28 PM
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yeah lol it's probably slang stage 1,2,3.
I don't know the brand but am going to pick up the car this weekend. Rebuilt with better cams and rockers no leaks should be good to. Plus comes with a full exhaust system and i have got a Yella Terra 71mm throttle body 4 it.
comes with stage 2 shift kit on the trans, new radiator,power steering pump and rack. Basically swapping over the drive train
Should go heaps harder. |
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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 : 5:32:00 PM
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Well, that's not much help then.
I'm trying to find out from a few people what some stage 2 specs are for certain cams, and I'll run a test.
It'll more than likely be the Crow Cam. |
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leebo
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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 : 7:04:17 PM
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| yeah i read that stage 1-3 cam sometimes refer to crow cams. |
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crazybiker
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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 : 7:06:05 PM
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Well, I found the specs. I've run them, and they don't seem right.
So I'm gonna wait for Greenfoam to come online, and then ask him very nicely to help me out :) |
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Posted - 03 Jun 2009 : 7:30:24 PM
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Yeah whatever thanks for the help. I've just started my new apprenticeship as a first year and when i start going to trade school my TAFE has a dyno so i will put it on that.
I was told today by a fellow worker that a port Polish will only give probs 20hp and will cost about $1500 for the new heads etc.
would that be considered expensive? |
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Posted - 04 Jun 2009 : 06:36:18 AM
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$75 a hp isn't really cheap...but have a look at the specs I ran for you before.
Most of the power is held up in the buicks is the head. Sort that out, and that's where it'll start making decent power. |
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Posted - 04 Jun 2009 : 5:14:08 PM
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| yeah i will have a look at it once i get it. thanks keep u posted |
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lovevncomms
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Posted - 13 Jun 2009 : 12:02:21 AM
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| just a question to someones post earlier what are they stroker kits like and how much work is needed to put one in i want to put a 304pfi from pavtek in but not sure what there like or such any 1 who's done so any info would be gr8 |
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