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Scommo
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 Posted - 03 Apr 2008 : 3:52:03 PM
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Hi I was wondering my vn does not have a turbo but if i bought one would i be able to install it????
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VNSVLE
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Posted - 03 Apr 2008 : 5:17:59 PM
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| Not quite as simple as that unless you get an already made kit for it. There are alot of modifications and component changes that have to be done in order to do this successfully. The best thing to do would be to buy a kit, which if you are mechanically minded yes you could install or pay someone to do it for you. |
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Understeer is when the driver is scared.
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MILD50
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Posted - 05 Apr 2008 : 6:29:28 PM
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It would depend how mechanically minded you were as to whether you should even go the kit route.
Personally, I'd either be talking to a workshop to find out what works and what doesn't and getting a proven shop to do the work or cut your teeth on smaller jobs and learn all you can before deciding if that's even the route you want to take.
Keep in mind there's going to be a lot of cost involved with a turbo... from road worthies to day to day fuel and insurance.
Let us know how you go- and can I ask why exactly you want to go turbo? |
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.kiwi.
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trizo
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Posted - 06 Apr 2008 : 08:44:48 AM
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| hope you got cash cause the motor will need rebuilding, of the top of my head I think the stok motor can only handle 4psi b4 things start to go bang!! |
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MILD50
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Posted - 06 Apr 2008 : 11:21:22 AM
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I think it'll handle more boost if it's intercooled aswell. It's all pretty complicated.
How much were you looking to spend? There might be far better options for you as far as cost vs power, roadworthy etc go. |
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nodg
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Posted - 09 Apr 2008 : 06:51:18 AM
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going the boosted turbo option the cheap way is a recipe for disaster, a turbo is driven by exhaust gasses which reaches hundreds of degrees, which gets delivered to the combustion chamber under pressure. now what happens to fuel in an extremely hot environment and under pressure? bang, pre detonition causing major engine damage. an intercooler and blow off valve is the minimum requirements if your going to be using the car for heavy driving/racing/etc. a supercharger on the other hand is alot easier to fit,, kits are cheaper, with next to no modifications needed to setup and run versus a turbo. you dont have exhaust gasses running your motor so lag and temperature isnt an issue.
As for how ling will the motor will last under boost, 4 psi would be the highest you would go SAFELY. ive lost count on how many commodores ive seen with stock motors driven at 8-15 psi, the motor simply blows pistons out the side of the block. yeah they go quick, but they dont last very long at all. my choice would be to get a sc14 toyota supercharger for around 1000 (around 2000 total setup) with a set of 3.7 diff gears... more than enough for you to handle in the mean time. |
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trizo
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Posted - 09 Apr 2008 : 4:57:08 PM
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well there ya go, I myself would go a cgarged set up over a turbo...
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Dano84
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Posted - 12 Apr 2008 : 9:54:32 PM
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| supercharge would be the easiest and cheapest option, castlemaine rod shop do a complete bolt-on supercharger kit for stock engines for just under $2000( which is pretty cheap) compared to a turbo sut-up which would probebly cost more around $4000-5000 to do it properly |
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trizo
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Posted - 13 Apr 2008 : 03:36:13 AM
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| $4-5 grand for a proper turbo, you mean around $10-15 grand to do it properly , 2k for a charger iant to bad at all but! |
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Dano84
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Posted - 13 Apr 2008 : 08:22:13 AM
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10-15 grand if you got someone to do it for you, maybe, im pretty sure you could resource the parts some new and others 2nd hand, and still be under $5000. ebay has some wonderful stuff
then it comes to how mechanically minded you are(or your mates)
be prepared for weeks of headaches & painstaking hours |
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Edited by - Dano84 on 13 Apr 2008 08:25:32 AM |
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trizo
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Posted - 13 Apr 2008 : 1:42:55 PM
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| m8 unless you gonna keep rebuilding a cheap arse turbo on a stook motor by all means waste ya cash! I have said this already, anything over 4psi and sh1t starts breaking, hence toughning up the motor ( wich aint cheap) and then having it dyno'd (which aint cheap) and you'll need a good memcal to get the max out of the setup (again aint cheap) ect ect ect.... get my drift . I dont c y people get these crazy ideas that you can get great stuff on ebay, to do some thing like this properly, you need quality and reliability.. and usualy taking it to som1 who knows what there doing is a sure fire way to have things run smooth! |
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MILD50
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Posted - 13 Apr 2008 : 9:32:31 PM
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Do it once and do it right. Build a motor to cope with the boost. Even low psi on an older motor will put all of the minor faults with it proudly on display when it all goes tits up. There's a couple of nifty sayings out there that are relevant in regards to car modifying:
fast, reliable, cheap- choose two.
the poor man spends his money twice. |
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Grandtheftholden
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Posted - 17 Apr 2008 : 12:54:21 PM
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| So, to supercharge would a full rebuild be required too... on my white stocky, i have just had the mains bearings and big end shells done... and a new cam... would that handle the supercharger alright do you think or more work required? |
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MILD50
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Posted - 17 Apr 2008 : 1:20:49 PM
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Anything that's going to see substantial forced induction is going to need to be set up to cope with it. Not only for longevity, but to take advantage of the full potential.
Could you put it on a stocker? Yes. Is it going to last or be as powerful as a purpose built FI car? Probably not. Sure, there's people out there doing it and if it's healthy you're going to be a lot more successful than if it's on death's door.
But you know what? Every motor is going to need a rebuild sooner or later so you need to make a decision as to what you can afford and what you are prepared to live with. |
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nodg
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Posted - 17 Apr 2008 : 5:20:01 PM
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| basically if you put a supercharger on a high kilometre motor (which most vn motors are) the weakest points will quickly get worse and eventually cause engine failure, remembering supercharging/turbocharging purely works by forcing more air than it can physically do by itself, making the engine work harder and faster than ever before. a full rebuild, even if it is so stock specs, is a great advantage and will be a more reliable motor. |
Cheers,
Nodg. |
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