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leebo
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 Posted - 13 Mar 2009 : 9:44:31 PM
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hey guys I'm wanting to supercharge my V6.
I just have a couple of questions i wanted answers to first:
I only want to spend a max of about $2000.
I'm just looking for a small one i can put onto the motor as is even if it's only running 6-7PSI.
First question is, will putting an already supercharged VS ECOTEC into it be a very hard job (with wiring loom etc.) or would it just be easier to get a supercharger that will fit onto my S2.
That and i will need to put a VS engine cover over it to hide it a bit.
if anyone know which would be the cheapest and or best way to go please let me know.
cheers guys
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Benche
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crazybiker
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Posted - 14 Mar 2009 : 1:14:39 PM
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Spending only 2G will limit you quite alot.
Many things will come up that you will need to run the supercharger, so do expect to spend over 2G on the entire setup from start to finish. |
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leebo
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Posted - 14 Mar 2009 : 1:36:08 PM
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yeah of course mate i know that I a friend and my dad will be installing it into the engine but i just want to keep the materials cost of actually buying what's needed down to a minimum.
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leebo
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Posted - 14 Mar 2009 : 1:41:32 PM
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Originally posted by Benche
this is what you want
http://www.rodshop.com.au/supercharger_kits/supercharger_1.htm
Hey thanks for this hyperlink that's exactly what I'm looking for and was pretty straight forward to understand.
i will be sure to make contact with them as soon as i get closer to it.
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VN91SX
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Posted - 15 Mar 2009 : 9:49:45 PM
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I had a look at the hyperlink leebo. It looks pretty bodgy! I dont mean to be nasty. It is your choice. Think it through before making the money decision. Forced induction costs money. A quality kit starts around $5000, and that is without any work to the bottom end of the motor. The information they give on that website is pretty sketchy. Have a look at what else is out there, and you will see what i mean by sketchy. Have a look at Raptor, Vortech, Powerdyne....just to name a few. If you are going to do it, do it right. The cheap option is not the answer when it comes to keeping your car on the road and healthy.
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leebo
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Posted - 16 Mar 2009 : 11:14:00 AM
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Thanks for the advice VN91SX. I'm just looking for a small one i shouldn't be doing this anyway I'm on my P's. I may just wait but if i can find a small one to get a bit extra boost this would be perfect.
I have seen these superchargers that run of the back on the motor like off the trans and close under the bonnet. I could put an ecotec cover over the top of it to hide it a bit.
I've still got heaps of time to suss out which one would be best while i save but another thing is the cam's (like you have) would be a Legal option for my restrictions so i will see how i go.
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trizo
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Posted - 16 Mar 2009 : 11:28:18 AM
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I agree with vn91sx, wouldn't waste my hard earned on it!
I'm not having a go at you here but you keep saying you are gonna get a small charger, dude there is no such thing!!! Chargers that run from the trans are not good and well you would just fu@k the motor,, If you wat a bit of boost y not try a dry ice feed  its amazing what a sealed up motorbike block can do when its filled with dry ice and place into the air box  Basicaly stick to your last idea and wait and save a few bucks (about 5k) should do it for a nice charger that your not gonna have to be fixing all the time!! Remember that the vn's are a older car now (20yrs) and will require a full rebuild with any sort of induction!!! |
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leebo
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Posted - 16 Mar 2009 : 11:41:58 AM
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yeah your absolutely right Trizo besides if you go the the effort i may as well do cams and yella terra rockers because whilst doing this the motor has to be rebuilt anyway (fresh start) and best of all i can have it will no trouble with the law.
And like i was telling VN91sx it leaves room for a supercharger later anyways.
what would this mod be about $3700for cams + $600 for rockers? =to about another 45KW's or so. |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 16 Mar 2009 : 7:59:48 PM
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| Yella Terra roller rockers set me back $900. I didnt pay anything extra for installation. |
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leebo
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Posted - 16 Mar 2009 : 8:10:41 PM
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| would i be right in saying about 800 out of every $1000 is labor in rebuilding a motor not parts. |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 16 Mar 2009 : 9:24:07 PM
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| I didnt pay labour on the rollers. Thats how much they were when i got them 2 months ago. Worthwhile modifications to a car dont come cheap. |
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trizo
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Posted - 17 Mar 2009 : 01:31:04 AM
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besides if I go the effort??? I read your post nice and clearly. I just hear this, "I 'm go and get me a small charger" all the time ...... It's good you have looked into it more , dont fall into the line of I/we told ya so is all Im saying. It costs alot of money to do it right to start with and is also very costly in the long run when things go bang!!! But hey if you have your mind set then well...
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VN91SX
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Posted - 17 Mar 2009 : 08:56:34 AM
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Just like when you do an exhaust, go the whole hog and do the extractors! Alot of people don't do it though because it is the dearer part of the exhaust, and so they generally do cat-back. "Little" things will get "little" results.
Remember this one Leebo, "an informed decision is a smart decision". I am not trying to cut you down in flames, just trying to help so that you steer your beast in the right direction. Do your research, and know your products before you make a decision. And don't just read what a manufacturer has written about their product on their website. Google the product, and have a look at all the forums out there, and see what people say about it in open forums like this one. This is your way of seeing if your fancied product has any runs on the board. Good luck! |
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leebo
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Posted - 17 Mar 2009 : 3:51:42 PM
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yeah thanks for the feedback guys that's good. When i mean small charger i mean one that will fit under my standard bonnet i don't want to be cutting holes in it and getting around with a "Defrect me" sign out my bonnet.
i didn't want those chargers that stick about 3km out the bonnet lol.
but yeah I'll scrap that for the moment and start with the headwork
eg. Yella Terra rockers for the time being.
also VN91SX i didn't do the exhaust because i didn't think there would be much extra performance to be gained out of an extra 1/4" of piping and i didn't do the extractors because i don't want to loose my insurance if i had a crash.
you sign a deceleration saying what's on the car but extractors are not covered for me.
thanks again guys for the advice and yes i know i don't have to do any of the things you guys say on this forum nor the other way but i trust your judgment. |
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VN91SX
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Posted - 17 Mar 2009 : 7:44:42 PM
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Im sorry Leebo, but i have to ask this one: You are worried about extractors voiding your insurance, so how is a supercharger going to help this? lol
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crazybiker
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Posted - 17 Mar 2009 : 9:13:08 PM
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| Leebo; A cam is still an illegal modification to do on your Ps. |
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leebo
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Posted - 18 Mar 2009 : 3:27:27 PM
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yeah that's true mate i was talking about this to my dad last night and he said don't do it wait until your 21.
also i know cams may not me a legal mod but in the event of a crash (hope to god it doesn't happen) you wont see this as an obvious mod as it's hidden inside the motor.
I don't think the insurance company will pull to motor to pieces to check/
I'm in VIC and our laws are not a strict as say N.S.W but i haven't completely red the rule book yet as such. |
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leebo
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Posted - 20 Mar 2009 : 4:45:54 PM
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hey where can i get Yella Terra 1.8 rockers from.
being in VIC.
Do you go to a store, repco, autobarn (very expensive I'd imagine), supercheap, small private business etc.
I have looked around and don't have any idea where to go for these. |
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trizo
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Posted - 20 Mar 2009 : 7:18:34 PM
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| yellaTerra .com |
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Benche
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Posted - 22 Mar 2009 : 08:02:56 AM
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| i spoke to a snr cop a few months ago and he said if he cant see the mod then its not there. the only thing that can be a problem with internal work would be fuel emissions EPA. but if your exhaust isn't to loud then they wont pick on you.a another good mod id changing your diff gears. |
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ibo
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Posted - 22 Mar 2009 : 11:55:52 AM
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| Hey leebo my mate pull out a super six out of a vs statemans if ur interest? juz needs throttlebody and alternater done 180,000ks |
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trizo
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Posted - 22 Mar 2009 : 1:59:39 PM
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if you want to advertise it either pm leebo or put it up in the classifieds section...
Thanks trizo |
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leebo
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Posted - 23 Mar 2009 : 4:05:19 PM
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yeah thanks that's what i figured if they can't see it i won't get picked on.
I know people on their P's getting around with big coolers hanging down the front it's stupid. |
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leebo
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Posted - 23 Mar 2009 : 4:07:02 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by leebo
yeah thanks that's what i figured if they can't see it i won't get picked on.
I know people on their P's getting around with big coolers hanging down the front it's stupid.
Also i already got LSD which I'm very happy with too |
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crazybiker
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Posted - 23 Mar 2009 : 6:02:52 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by leebo
yeah that's true mate i was talking about this to my dad last night and he said don't do it wait until your 21.
also i know cams may not me a legal mod but in the event of a crash (hope to god it doesn't happen) you wont see this as an obvious mod as it's hidden inside the motor.
I don't think the insurance company will pull to motor to pieces to check/
I'm in VIC and our laws are not a strict as say N.S.W but i haven't completely red the rule book yet as such.
If they've got suspicions, they can easily just throw it on a dyno quickly and see its power output. |
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leebo
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Posted - 23 Mar 2009 : 6:42:32 PM
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Yeah that's a bit of an effort though unless they really want to get me but they will see from under the bonnet that it's worth it or not i would think.
I'm still way under the 125KW o a tonne rule |
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crazybiker
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Posted - 23 Mar 2009 : 9:34:00 PM
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| Law states that ANY performance modification is illegal. That includes a K+N Air filter mate. |
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leebo
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Posted - 24 Mar 2009 : 07:48:24 AM
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Then I'm not the biggest fan of the law.
Defective notices are revenue raising if you ask me. |
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