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truch
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 Posted - 31 Jan 2007 : 7:40:54 PM
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Hi all, my rear parcel shelf doesnt have factory holes in it for rear speakers, as my car wasnt optioned with the 4 speaker stereo. Is there any way to fit speakers there without it being illegal, as in, cutting holes in the metal.
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SWEET
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Posted - 31 Jan 2007 : 7:46:21 PM
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| hi truch if u gotto the post (tweeters) mouce just said somthing bout that if i cuold recall he said u can fit 6.5's in it and it'll be legal but putting 6.9 will be illegal bos of the metal but with cutting metal u gotta have ta wait for mouce to answer that if theres anyways of cutting and making it legal. i just thought ill post this cos ive been asking to much questions since i got on here and thought this is a good chance to reply to a post. b4dn xxxx p.s MOUCE did i do ok? |
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mouce
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Posted - 31 Jan 2007 : 8:51:28 PM
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Yes you can put whatever speakers you like in your parcel shelf, as long as you do not have to remove any metal from the car to fit them in. You can cut whatever size hole you need in the bit covered in carpet, but not the metal underneath it.
There's a few different options on mounting speakers in the parcel shelf:
1: Shop around until you find a set of speakers that will fit without the need to remove any metal, typically 6.5" 3-way coaxial speakers are the largest option for that role. You'll need to take the shelf out and measure it up, then start trawling through the specs for the speakers to find one that will fit, but I haven't heard of any 6.5" 3-ways that don't fit. (to take the shelf out you need to remove the back seat)
2: Purchase a set of spacers, these are little 'rings' of MDF that raise the speaker up just a little, half an inch at a time, so that it sits a bit higher than normal. This is one of the easy ways to get 6x9's in there (if you really want 6x9's that is). The downside is that they can look fairly sh!tty
3: Purchase a set of speaker boxes, these are prefabricated boxes which house the speakers, all you need to do is bolt the boxes to the parcel shelf and you're set. These look REALLY CRAP. Sorry to anyone who has them, but they really do look (and sound) attrocious.
4: Make your own parcel shelf (this is what I'll be doing). Using a sheet of 12-18mm MDF cut out a board the right shape to fit in the space of the old parcel shelf. And put wooden spacers under it (secured in place of course) to raise it up. Cover it with carpet and bolt it into place. It's possible to make it high enough to house a 10" sub (I've seen it done), so a pair of 6x9 speakers is easy.
5: Turn the 6x9 speakers around 90 degrees. I have been told that certain brand 6x9 speakers fit without spacers or cutting metal if you turn them around 90 degrees and mount them as close to the seat as you can. When you take the parcel shelf out you'll see what I mean, but there's a bit of a trough in the metal section of the parcel tray, and I BELIEVE that, if they are positioned just right, you can get them to fit.
Keep in mind that if you run (or will run) subs don't bother with 6x9's, just go straight for 6.5" 3-ways back there. The sound quality will be much better, it'll be easier to setup and probably a bit cheaper too. |
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truch
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Posted - 31 Jan 2007 : 9:03:57 PM
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| The whole parcel shelf is completely metal under the carpet, so technically i cant really cut through it at all. |
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truch
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Posted - 31 Jan 2007 : 9:50:04 PM
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| Also how do you get the cover off of the speakers in the dash? |
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mouce
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Posted - 31 Jan 2007 : 9:58:50 PM
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| No...there is a compressed cardboard/chipboard shelf, that's what the carpet is glued to. You can cut through that quite legally. It's the metal that the removable section rests on that you can't cut. |
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mouce
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Posted - 31 Jan 2007 : 10:03:59 PM
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| Uh...lever what out? The parcel shelf? Not possible. The carpet covered section is actually bolted in, and to remove it you MUST remove the rear seat, either that or you break it. |
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truch
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Posted - 31 Jan 2007 : 10:06:20 PM
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| No, I think she was referring to to dash speaker covers. Thanks for the help guys, this site is great. |
Edited by - truch on 31 Jan 2007 10:07:03 PM |
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SWEET
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Posted - 31 Jan 2007 : 10:17:17 PM
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| yh i was lol but if u do lever it try not to snap it cos 1 of mine is snapped lol. hope that was a help im just trying to answer Q since i asked to many questions since i got on this site. so if its no help just ignore me cos im just trying to sound smart lol b4dn xxxx |
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VN Mad88
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Posted - 01 Feb 2007 : 11:53:09 AM
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| Yep use a screw driver and very carfully leaver it out take your time it will come. another option if your after more sound in the front (mostly bass) then get your hands on a set of speker molds from a vr and you can put 6 inch in them. you can run all four in the front and 6 by 9 in the back. |
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truch
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Posted - 01 Feb 2007 : 9:12:18 PM
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| Im thinking that i'll probably get a couple of 4 inch speakers for the front and some 6 inchers for the rear, aswell as a good head unit. |
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mouce
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Posted - 01 Feb 2007 : 10:38:57 PM
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All said and done there's no real need for 6" splits up front. 4" normally do it, after all...if you're getting worried about not having enough bass, you can get a sub fairly cheaply that will make low farting noises  Set aside a little extra money and you might even get one that sounds reasonable. |
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truch
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Posted - 04 Feb 2007 : 10:26:55 PM
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| I just bought a couple of Sony 4" 2 ways for the dash, 2 6.5" Sony 4 ways for the parcel shelf, and a JVC head unit. I was gonna install it myself, but then I read that removing the stock head unit is a pain in the ass, so Im going to get it professionally installed. Does anyone know of any good places for this around Adelaide? Cheers |
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VN Mad88
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Posted - 04 Feb 2007 : 10:51:42 PM
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| It is not really that hard... All you need to do is take off the plastic sheet where your gear stick is, it pops out. Then there is three screws on the bottom of where the head unit is then pull that off then just a few more screws, then it just head unit will come out. It's faily strait forward. Then all you need to do is go to auto bahn and aske for a adaptor and plug it in. And if you do end up stuck then go to the professional and pay him to do exactly the same. Failing that auto bahn does a good job and give a lifetime warrenty on the instalation, don't know the $$ though... |
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mouce
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Posted - 05 Feb 2007 : 12:31:10 PM
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Actually...if the stock h/u has never been removed before, it's a whore of a job. There's a little 'safety' screw in a pig of a spot. It makes it damn hard to get it out.
The only way to get it is to remove the entire plastic shroud around the center binacle. It's only a few more screws, but it takes a bit longer to do.
If you're dead set on getting someone else to do it, then I'd install the speakers and run the wires to as close to the h/u as possible, then just get them to install the h/u and hook it all up. That should save a few dollars.
Really though, it's not that tough, just take it steady and you shouldn't have too many problems |
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wannabe drifter
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Posted - 07 Feb 2007 : 09:36:48 AM
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| i installed my head unit my self it was pretty easy but mine had been replaced before(still standard one tho). but wen i worked for a car audio installer they we just got a drill and carefully used it like a router to remove the plastic in front of the screw. it sounds bad i know but it is quick and easy (if u dont drill to far in) and u can't see it once the plastic trim is all on. |
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shags
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Posted - 18 Feb 2007 : 8:50:41 PM
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| i bought speaker boxs from wow sight n sound,n they fit my 6x9 jaycar responce speakers. they look pretty cool to, they just sit them on top, i just cut the carpet and used silicon. i dont think it would be that hard to make some out of MDF (medium density fibro, i think) im not sure if thing like that are legal though, simply because no bady seems to have them. |
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mouce
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 2:31:17 PM
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| Speaker boxes are legal, so long as they aren't loose. they must be secured to the parcel shelf (or whereever you have them located) to be legal. |
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akface
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Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 9:57:27 PM
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hey so looking at this information the best system (nothing too loud) is 4"s in the front, where the old ones were...and i got the 4 speaker stereo is it 6"s in the original spot for the stock speakers on the parcel tray?
that would be sweet with a sub....
i think not sure and i was thinking of buying a cd player from strathfield (there are some in the catalouge that have free installation) and asking then to wire the speakers and sub? |
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truch
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Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 6:17:22 PM
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| You can get away with MOST 6.5s in the rear without having to use spacers, mine fit fine. |
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mouce
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Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 7:17:57 PM
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| 4" splits up the front make a nice upgrade. You can go with 4" 2-way speakers, but 4" splits would be nicer sounding. |
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truch
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Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 9:57:27 PM
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| With the stock 4 speaker sound system, did the speakers have holes in the metal for them? The rear parcel shelf i mean. |
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mouce
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 09:44:58 AM
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| Not as far as I know, because they were only 6" (or 6.5") speakers, the 6x9" speakers are deeper than the round ones. |
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truch
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 4:42:42 PM
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| When I took my car to Tonkins to get my speakers installed, they cut through the metal, but they said thats how they were if they had the 4 speaker stereo. It looks really nice and professional, and they seem to be in the right place. Oh, and they are 6.5" 4-Way |
Edited by - truch on 28 Feb 2007 4:44:08 PM |
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mouce
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Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 12:10:41 AM
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You can rest assured that you had your car stuffed. Under no circumstances are you allowed to remove any metal from the parcel shelf. I've never heard of "Tonkins" so I won't judge them entirely on this one statement, but they should know better than that.
Unless the parcel shelf had holes in it when it was produced, you shouldn't have any in there now. |
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truch
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Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 5:38:39 PM
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| Tonkins is the big audio place in Adelaide. Yes, you would think they would know better. |
Edited by - truch on 01 Mar 2007 5:39:20 PM |
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MILD50
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Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 5:35:11 PM
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Got pics of the install- specifically from the bottom, so we can see if any damage was done?
Maybe the terminology is causing confusion. |
Edited by - MILD50 on 02 Mar 2007 5:36:42 PM |
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VNSVLE
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Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 11:39:10 PM
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| I believe that right up in the top corners of the parcel shelf there where holes for 6 or 6.5 inch speakers. The cars that did not come with the 4 speaker system for example the executives they spot welded a cover over these holes so if you got the 4 speaker upgrade either later on down the track or from the factory these covers were easily knocked out without the hassles of cutting into the structural shelf. Please correct me if i am way off the mark. |
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mouce
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Posted - 07 Mar 2007 : 12:28:50 PM
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| There aren't any spot welded covers on mine, and I've only got a factory 2 speaker setup. I believe that the spot welded covers came in later models. |
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